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When Politics intersect with Porn
« on: March 16, 2018, 02:50:30 PM »
Porn star's lawyer: Stormy Daniels was 'threatened' to keep alleged affair with Trump secret



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/porn-stars-lawyer-stormy-daniels-threatened-alleged-affair/story?id=53799408

Do the number of different stories told, and in a particular order make such tales any more or less believable ?  I hadn't really followed this story, since it seemed like a pile-on attack that dated to a time before Trump even decided to run for political office.  But the chronology seems to be:

1. 2006 Alleged affair happens: Stephanie Clifford (aka pornstar Stormy Daniels) has sex with married Donald Trump.
2. 2011 Talks with In Touch magazine, indicating possible affair.  Interview isn't published.
3. 2016 Clifford shops story to other news outlets in election run-up.
4. 2016 Michael Cohen pays Clifford $130k to keep quiet about affair, she signs non-disclosure agreement days before the election.
5. 2018 Wall St. Journal publishes about the then-alleged payoff.
6. 2018 In Touch publishes the interview.
7. 2018 Cohen claims affair, payoff never happened and that Clifford also said this.  Clifford denies the statement.
8. 2018 Cohen admits paying off Clifford, but says it was unrelated to Trump or the campaign.
9. 2018 Clifford offers to return the money, says she would rather tell her story.
10. 2018 Clifford's lawyer claims that NDA is invalid, because Trump never signed it.
11. 2018 CBS' 60 Minutes films purported tell-all interview, then shelves it, citing unspecified "reporting" needs.
12. 2018 Clifford files suit to invalidate NDA.
13. 2018 Clifford petitions court to replace judge, saying that seeking a federal appointment hurts objectivity.
14. 2018 Bill Gregory, Clifford's father, says he's convinced that his daughter is crazy and will be killed by a sniper.
15. 2018 Clifford makes allegation of vague physical threats against her.

It's fairly clear where all this is going: the story details about the affair will get out soon.  It will be a leak, or perhaps the court agrees something about the NDA.  Clifford wants to get paid- she already has people lined up to pay the $1 million penalty for her, should she go that route, because she sees an even greater payday on the horizon.

As far as anyone can tell, no crime has been committed here- not by Trump, anyway.  This looks like political scandal.  What I'm surprised at, is that a ridiculous cartoony pornstar like Stormy Daniels is given any credibility at all.  It looks desperate, and once again is more evidence that these two sleazy parties will do anything to maintain the status quo.

Also, the fact that her story features Ben Roethlisberger sounds like a major red flag.
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2018, 08:59:09 PM »
Update: And the newest bit of outrage- Trump's lawyers say Stormy Daniels owe $20 million for multiple violations of the confidentiality agreement.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-16/trump-moves-stormy-daniels-lawsuit-to-federal-court

Oh well, I guess life as a pornstar doesn't generally end well anyway...
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 03:37:44 PM »
I think porn should be a prerequisite for candidates. It would be interesting for sure .


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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 05:00:48 PM »
I think porn should be a prerequisite for candidates. It would be interesting for sure .
There's probably a sociology course somewhere that watched "Nailin' Palin" as actual coursework.  (Where did B_lake go to school again ?)


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LOL.  The poor man's Stormy Daniels ?  Or is Stormy Daniels the poor man's version already ?
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2018, 06:34:25 PM »
The Duke game leads into 60 Minutes tonight, with Stormy Daniels trying to convince everyone there's an altruistic reason she wants to tell us about fat ol' Donald's weiner.

I can't believe that Leftists really want to hitch their wagons to such a person.
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2018, 06:47:28 PM »
The Duke game was way more important than some peep show exposure.
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2018, 06:59:55 PM »
If it weren't for campaign donations possibly being used to pay off the hooker, this would be a non-story ... other than the amazing hypocrisy of the silence of the religious right.

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2018, 07:09:13 PM »
The Duke game was way more important than some peep show exposure.
One led in to the other.  Must-see TV for the modern age.


If it weren't for campaign donations possibly being used to pay off the hooker, this would be a non-story ... other than the amazing hypocrisy of the silence of the religious right.
Except this lawyer seemed to have not used campaign funds.  Or at least seemed to.

If Stormy Daniels at least came out and claimed she wanted to publish a book and make $8 million or that she wanted the truth to come out because Trump raped her, she'd have a shred of credibility.

You won't see prominent Democrats come out in a big way and get behind this shit-show, is my prediction.  Personally, I hope that Mueller does wrap this into his investigation - let's have a complete circus like it was with Bill Clinton !
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2018, 07:14:17 PM »
One led in to the other.  Must-see TV for the modern age.

Except this lawyer seemed to have not used campaign funds.  Or at least seemed to.

If Stormy Daniels at least came out and claimed she wanted to publish a book and make $8 million or that she wanted the truth to come out because Trump raped her, she'd have a shred of credibility.

You won't see prominent Democrats come out in a big way and get behind this shit-show, is my prediction.  Personally, I hope that Mueller does wrap this into his investigation - let's have a complete circus like it was with Bill Clinton !

That depends on what your definition of "payoff" is.
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2018, 08:13:09 PM »
If it weren't for campaign donations possibly being used to pay off the hooker, this would be a non-story ... other than the amazing hypocrisy of the silence of the religious right.

I don't think it's ever been about him being what seems like a serial cheater.
Trumpsters have known that about him for a long time and don't seem to find it problematic.
I don't think it's been about him likely lying, again.
Trumpsters have known that about him for a long time and don't seem to find it problematic.
Hell, I don't even think it's about the idea less than 2 weeks before the election she was paid hush money.
Trumpsters probably think that's great.
I think it's basically about whether campaign finance law was violated, or not.
If it was, of course, Trumpsters will find some sort of excuse for that, too.
There are already plenty of people going on about how horrible she is, how she's untrustworthy, how she's this or that ... as though the only problems in any of this lie with her.
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2018, 08:45:48 PM »
I honestly hadn’t expected this.  This is 3-ring circus stuff as good as the 2016 primaries.  I would love for this to continue and for Democrats to get down in the mud with sleazy lawyers and buttsex pornstars.

The quote of the year: “I can describe his junk perfectly !” (Stormy Daniels).  C’mon- let’s have some Congressional hearings about THAT ! rofl
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2018, 09:32:43 PM »
I honestly hadn’t expected this.  This is 3-ring circus stuff as good as the 2016 primaries.  I would love for this to continue and for Democrats to get down in the mud with sleazy lawyers and buttsex pornstars.

The quote of the year: “I can describe his junk perfectly !” (Stormy Daniels).  C’mon- let’s have some Congressional hearings about THAT ! rofl

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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2018, 06:14:49 AM »
So can almost anyone. After all, small hands ...

I'll bet it looks like a Jax.

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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2018, 10:06:17 AM »
I don't think it's ever been about him being what seems like a serial cheater.
Trumpsters have known that about him for a long time and don't seem to find it problematic.
I don't think it's been about him likely lying, again.
Trumpsters have known that about him for a long time and don't seem to find it problematic.
Hell, I don't even think it's about the idea less than 2 weeks before the election she was paid hush money.
Trumpsters probably think that's great.
I think it's basically about whether campaign finance law was violated, or not.
If it was, of course, Trumpsters will find some sort of excuse for that, too.
There are already plenty of people going on about how horrible she is, how she's untrustworthy, how she's this or that ... as though the only problems in any of this lie with her.
Bill Clinton act 2.  It’s sad this is what it has come to but I’m not sure we have had a president since  Carter that didn’t commit infidelity and Carter might be the only one we have ever had that didn’t.

I don’t think anyone on the planet doesn’t think he boned her and probably at least 20 others since his latest marriage.

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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2018, 10:12:29 AM »
Bill Clinton act 2.  It’s sad this is what it has come to but I’m not sure we have had a president since  Carter that didn’t commit infidelity and Carter might be the only one we have ever had that didn’t.

I don’t think anyone on the planet doesn’t think he boned her and probably at least 20 others since his latest marriage.

The thing is, I don't even care that much about him having an affair.  I mean, as you say, him being unfaithful isn't news.  What's amazing to me is all the "moral high ground" conservatives who still support him, especially the conservative Christians and Evangelicals.  That's the only reason, to me, this is newsworthy at all. 

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2018, 10:48:52 AM »
Bill Clinton act 2.  It’s sad this is what it has come to but I’m not sure we have had a president since  Carter that didn’t commit infidelity and Carter might be the only one we have ever had that didn’t.

I don’t think anyone on the planet doesn’t think he boned her and probably at least 20 others since his latest marriage.

This is pretty much what I thought until I watched the 60 minutes piece. Did you watch it? It appears like the presidents lawyer may be in some "serious" trouble. By serious I mean he may be suspended from the practice of law or lose his bar license altogether. Trump has some issues but they center around campaign finance laws and typically the punishment is just a fine.

Other than the above, here is my issue with the whole thing: honestly, I could care less who trump slept with and when.  What "troubles" me is how viciously he went after Obama about the birther issue and other nonsense yet he thinks it's inappropriate to "attack" him. I'm sorry but when you go after someone you are now fair game for others to go at you. 
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Re: When Politics intersect with Porn
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2018, 11:05:29 AM »
other than the amazing hypocrisy of the silence of the religious right.

Yeah, that.

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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2018, 11:07:10 AM »
I'm not sure we have had a president since  Carter that didn’t commit infidelity and Carter might be the only one we have ever had that didn’t.

Did Obama cheat on Michelle?

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2018, 11:07:56 AM »
Did Obama cheat on Michelle?

He doesn't count
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2018, 11:11:16 AM »
This is pretty much what I thought until I watched the 60 minutes piece. Did you watch it? It appears like the presidents lawyer may be in some "serious" trouble. By serious I mean he may be suspended from the practice of law or lose his bar license altogether. Trump has some issues but they center around campaign finance laws and typically the punishment is just a fine.

Other than the above, here is my issue with the whole thing: honestly, I could care less who trump slept with and when.  What "troubles" me is how viciously he went after Obama about the birther issue and other nonsense yet he thinks it's inappropriate to "attack" him. I'm sorry but when you go after someone you are now fair game for others to go at you. 
So did this attorney bill and get paid from the campaign?  If he billed the campaign for this and changed his bill to hide what he was doing then he deserves to be disbarred.  I’ve got no sympathy for him.

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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2018, 11:13:01 AM »
Did Obama cheat on Michelle?
I don’t think we know but if I had to bet I would say yes and would say the same for W.  These guys have huge egos that need to be fed.

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2018, 11:14:10 AM »
Did Obama cheat on Michelle?

I haven't heard anything about W. either.
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2018, 11:15:52 AM »
I don’t think we know but if I had to bet I would say yes and would say the same for W.  These guys have huge egos that need to be fed.

You can't just assume it.  Clinton was an obvious dog, and Trump is a whoremonger.  There was no smoke with W or Obama, so maybe no fire either. Not everyone is a scumbag.

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2018, 11:16:09 AM »
I don’t think we know but if I had to bet I would say yes and would say the same for W.  These guys have huge egos that need to be fed.

Damn.
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2018, 11:16:40 AM »
I haven't heard anything about W. either.

He couldn't get it up anymore after all that coke he did.